| #1 Executor[43532] |
| cache3.ihug.co.nz |
| First! Hehe |
| #2 Executor[43533] |
| cache3.ihug.co.nz |
| I read it cool report... Anyobody notice how toss seem to always kill zerg after they survive to get templar |
| #3 CynicalMagician[43535] |
| px1cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
*starts singing the queen song, to the tune of Play that funky music)*
Get those funky matriarchs zerg boy....
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| #4 Bane-The-Feared[43538] |
| 209.149.96.84 |
Good BR.
Ya I notice that too. The only reason Zerg > Toss is because they own the early game. Therefore letting them expand everywhere and have such a greater mineral income psi storms don't matter.
But if the Zerg players doesn't expand sufficiently, the toss will overrun him with more powerful toss units.
-Bane |
| #5 Decman~Z3[43540] |
| cs26226-209.satx.rr.com |
| nice br.. i like that who has more money thing |
| #6 Darth Sidious[43570] |
| ap01-d09-155.dial.freesurf.nl |
the money thing is just not totally right, on 8 mineral patches you should use 24 peons.
for the rest nie br indeed |
| #7 AgentN[43577] |
| 171-24.dynamic.visi.com |
This is the scoop on peon's....you make them until around the 60 population mark, (this is coming from X'ds~fire, new BW.com strategist) That way regardless if your zerg and have expanded you have enough peons in your main base to *maynard* over a bunch and also run your natural effeciently. If your toss and get ~35 peons you can put them in odd locations around the map and in the opponents base for scouting...Terran, good luck, you'll need a lot of peons just to keep your ass from getting killed^^.
But, it was a good BR, I did enjoy it quite throughally. I like your style Cynical...I would give it an 8, but, what do I know.
Ciao
The Agent |
| #8 CynicalMagician[43586] |
| px3cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
| I suppose there is the other school of thought coming from Drefsab.. the 200 drone drop... LoL |
#9  [43595] |
| as530044.infocom.com |
Maybe this is old, but I was taught three drones per mineral patch and 3 drones on gas.
Good br cynical. My favorite quote:
"<i>So, after only inflicting a minor amount of damage, the zerg host was hardly more than fertilizer for the beautiful potted plants the protoss often build.</i>"
heh heh, and yes, the 200 drone drop owns you all.
8
Dref |
| #10 Phoenix-S-[43604] |
| lrar5pp38.alltel.net |
GJ as usual Cynical. Also, I didn't know you had UO?
And when I went from New Lands back to Old I had a PURPLE moongate instead of the blood-red one... Hm. Its kinda screwed.
Then there was the guy named Ten Hitpoint Bob who got killed by my miners pack horse... Strange things going on lately. |
| #11 <font color=orage>Phoenix-S-</font>[43605] |
| lrar5pp38.alltel.net |
<font color=orage>Oh yeah its always</font>
<font color=yellow size=75>4</font> |
| #12 <font color=orage>Phoenix-S-</font>[43606] |
| lrar5pp38.alltel.net |
| <font color=orage>I meant that there should always be 4 drones on gas...</font> |
| #13 CynicalMagician[43619] |
| px3cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
| No, thats no UO. I took that whole paragraph somewhat from an ultima game, but it was a SPECIFIC ultima game. It used almost those same words. I'll give you a hint. its the one with gargoyles. |
| #14 PHA']['-MAN~PK[43639] |
| 1Cust118.tnt1.bradenton.fl.da.uu.net |
| as always cynical, good br =) See u on b.net sometime so we can play...... |
| #15 Gantris[43657] |
| proxy1.fmhe1.ab.wave.home.com |
With 4 you can squeeze a tiny bit more gas out...depends if your low on gas or what...
Rape or be Raped |
| #16 Mogalin[43661] |
| co853273-a.foti1.on.wave.home.com |
16-18 peons on 8 patches.. HONK WRONG
More like 25-30 |
| #17 CynicalMagician[43670] |
| px1cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
| I usually end up with 16-18 because I keep Maynarding them all over the place. |
| #18 shockwave[43704] |
| exchange1.sensable.com |
I just never stop building peons at all. You can always Maynard them, you can long distance mine them if you're really really super saturated, it helps you buffer peon losses from stuff like psi storm raids, etc. This ain't like in War2 where you sometimes run out of resources and then wish you had spent less money on peons.
Also, who builds corsairs against Zerg :-b ? I can imagine late game when they have dweb... but otherwise, I'd think that Zerg would overrun Toss with hydra/ling if Toss went corsairs. Then again, Zerg went lurks, which is pretty rare in ZvP too. |
| #19 D-HawK[43714] |
| 209.128.34.1 |
I will give my opinion because my expertise is in that match-up for both races... I am undefeated taking on both those races vs the other, respectively.
Zerg should beat toss after toss has temps, but many don't know how to play.
Also, psi storm is good, use it well. |
| #20 CynicalMagician[43721] |
| px3cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
| Who builds corsairs vs zerg? 12 corsairs > 109237 mutas. Mutas get chewed to little bite sized pieces by sairs man. |
| #21 Sharandar[43802] |
| 199.94.66.253 |
Nice report, it's always amusing to see bad micro in stills (although everyone will agree that it always LOOKS easy to fix =P)
Oh, BTW, that passage is from the opening of Ultima VI. Come on people! This is old school here!
And don't play UO. That game is horribly buggy and imbalanced and...ugh...I mean, there's EQ and AC if you're into that thing. Why play a game that doesn't compensate player speed with lag and comp performance? Sheesh.
Sharandar |
| #22 CynicalMagician[43803] |
| px1cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
Yeah Sharandar!! You got the game. That is my 2nd favourite RPG ever. 1st is Ultima 7, with both parts and the addons. That game, IMHO is the best ultima to date, and it's going to be damn hard for ANYTHING to top. I've played through both 6 & 7 about 4 or 5 times each at least, and I still love it. Baldur's gate is good, but there is less replay value =P. Way to be though Sharandar.
-CynicalMagician |
| #23 ++swinger++[43869] |
| html.net |
| i am just learning zerg though, i am regulary playing toss and i know when to build peons becuase you just build them out of the nexus. But with zerg, i dont know when to build troops and when to build drones. Some expert players say always go lurks against a toss while a lot of other players go hydra/ling, after i play a little more experimenting with both i chose one. The peon thing really helped me though because after that game i played cynical magician (the person who br'd it and i beat him but instead of having 5 hatches, i had 9. I learn something every game, hopefully soon i will be able to put it all together. |
| #24 CynicalMagician[43910] |
| px1cl.gv.wave.shaw.ca |
One of the better tactics I've found vs toss is queens with broodling. No more pesky templar. I like going hydra+queen+ling, because the hydras+lings use all the minerals, and the queens use any spare gas. Works for me.
-CynicalMagician |
| #25 PsIoNiC~ZeRgLiN[43935] |
| sdn-ar-001nypougP072.dialsprint.net |
You should have about 20 on minerals. If you have any more, it won't even matter, because they'll just pile up on each patch and shit while the others mine.
Also, the toss should have at least 4 expansions 15 minutes into the game. That's how you beat better zerg players. You have to early expand to do that tho.
-ZeRgLiN |
| #26 PsIoNiC~ZeRgLiN[43936] |
| sdn-ar-001nypougP072.dialsprint.net |
Oh yeah, if the zerg is going queens, like magician suggested, I usually hide templar in shuttles, or beneath them so they're next to impossible to broodling, and let them out of the shuttle while you're being attacked.
-ZeRgLiN |
| #27 ReallyBored[43989] |
| CCHA.MIT.EDU |
The paragraph's from the opening of Ultima VI if I remember correctly
ok,now to read
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| #28 SlingsNArrows[44039] |
| bgm-24-95-150-230.stny.rr.com |
| I never bothered to count the number of drones I build.. I always just look at the mineral line, and say "that looks about right" or "OMG I forgot to gkeep producing peons!" But then... I have serious problems when it comes to numbers. :o) Great job Cynical! |
| #29 [CAT]Willzzz[44555] |
| pc67.cc.rhbnc.ac.uk |
| lurkers suck against toss.. go pure hydra and it's almost impossible to lose :) |
| #30 Dialtone_[48591] |
| athe530-o146.otenet.gr |
<i>"Editor's Note:For those who are wondering why my CC was not in the corner in the minimap pic, I was trying to clear off the black on the map, and the players were not doing a very good job in that section. What can I say, I have a strong sense of responsibility. "</i>
Dunno why but this has to be the funniest quote i've heard in here in a long time.good br btw. |
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